2 or more consecutive starts 1897-1912

I recently read of Zack Greinke having 3 consecutive starts for his team.  They were not complete games, but I thought I would check my lineup databases from my research to see how often that occurred in the years of my research.   Other research indicated that Greinke's feat was the first time since 1917 & Red Faber that it occurred.   Stories of Joe McGinninty and much earlier eras of consecutive starts made me want to check.

Below is my summary of players with 3 consecutive starts in my research years (1897-1909 NL & 1901-1912 AL):

Win Mercer, Wash (NL), 1897 - 9/13 (ejected in 3rd), 9/14 (CG), 9/15 (CG)

9/13 - Mercer was thrown out of the game versus Cincinnati in the 3rd by Carpenter for "criticising the umpire's ruling on a ball".  Mercer "resorted to a pantomimical play by prospecting his pocket and pulling out a pair of smoked spectacles and handing them to Carpenter."   He left the game with the score 0-0.  Washington ended up losing an 8 inning darkness shortened 2-1 decision.

9/14 - Won a 10-9 6 inning darkness shortened decision.  Washington scored 1 in the 5th & 4 in the 6th to overcome a 9-5 defecit to the Cincinnatis.   Mercer allowed 7 hits (4 doubles), 4 walks, & 1 hbp.  He struck out 3 batters.

9/15 - Lost a 5-4 decision to Brooklyn.   Allowed the winning run with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th.  Mercer allowed 8 hits & 3 walks.  He struck out 5.

Mercer's inclusion with the rest of the names on this list stands out.   A talented all around player who hit and played in the field as well - he would later be known for committing suicide

Joe McGinnity, Balt (AL), 1901 - 9/9 (CG), 9/12, G1 (CG), 9/12, G2 (CG) - ALL Complete Games!

9/9:   McGinnity lost a darkness shortened 8-4 decision at Detroit.  He allowed 14 hits and walked 2.  He struck out 2.

9/12, Game 1: "Iron Man" as we was already being referred to as, won game 1 4-3 versus Philadelphia when the Orioles scored 2 in the bottom of the 9th.  McGinnity allowed 7 hits and walked 3.  He struck out 2.    The Orioles scored their 2 winning runs on a Jimmy Williams triple, and singles by Bill Keister, Steve Brodie, and Wilbert Robinson.

9/12, Game 2:  McGinnity lost 5-4 in game 2 on a Philadelphia run in the 9th.  McGinnity allowed 10 hits, a walk, and an hbp.  He struck out none.

3 consecutive team complete games, albeit one was shortened by darkness.  1-2 record.


Rube Waddell, Phil (AL), 1904 - 6/5 (pulled after 3), 6/6 (CG), 6/7 (CG)

6/5:  Waddell was batted out of the box in the 3rd inning in Chicago in a 14-2 loss.  According to the Philadelphia Record, he "asked permission of Manager Mack to pitch the entire 4 game series, thereby establishing for himself a record that would stand for a long time unequaled".   Waddell gave up 7 hits and 3 runs in his outing.  Chief Bender reilieved him after 3 and he gave up 3 runs as well.  Barthold came in in the 6th and finished out the game.   Waddell did walk 1 and strike out 3 in his brief outing.

6/6: Rube was back out there for game 2 of the Chicago series.  This time he was a bit more successful, winning 6-3.  He allowed 8 hits and 2 walks.  He struck out 5.

6/7: In game 3 of the series, Waddell lost 6-1, allowing 10 hits.  He struck out only 1, his lowest total for the season (he struck out 349 (350 by my tabulation) for the season)).

Connie Mack decided to "try" Eddie Plank in the 4th game of series instead of Waddell.  Plank lost 8-2.

Waddell went 1-2 for his 3 game stretch and "only" 9 k's.


Walter Johnson, Wash (AL), 1908 - 9/4, 9/5, 9/7 G1

9/4:  Won 3-0 at New York.  He allowed 6 hits and 5 walks.  He struck out 4.

9/5:   Won 6-0 again in New York.  He allowed 3 hits, the first one in the 6th to Wid Conroy.  He was apparently used in this 2nd consecutive game because all of the other Washington pitchers were under the weather.  Johnson also struck out 3 batters.


9/7 Game 1: Johnson pitches his 3rd shutout in 4 days, winning 4-0 over New York again.  This time he allows only 2 hits and no walks.  He struck out 5 batters and scored 2 runs of his own.


For Johnson's 3 straight Nationals complete games - 27 ip, 11 hits, 0 RUNS, 4 walks, 12 strikeouts.


Ed Walsh, Chi (AL), 1908 - 9/29 G1 (CG), 9/29 G2 (CG), 10/2 (CG) - ALL CG's!


9/29, Game 1:   Won 5-1 at home versus the Red Sox.  He allowed 3 hits & 0 walks. 
He struck out 10 batters.  He also through in a double of his own for good measure.


9/29, Game 2:  Won 2-0 at home versus the Red Sox.  He allowed 4 hits & 1 walk.
He struck out 5 batters. 

10/2:  Many consider this among the Top Pitching Matchups of all time - Walsh vs. Joss, Joss pitching a perfect game.   As for Walsh, he didn't pitch too bad a game himself - 9 ip, 4 hits, 1 run, 1 walk, 15 strikeouts!


For Walsh's 3 straight White Sox complete games - 27 ip, 11 hits, 2 runs, 2 walks, 30 strikeouts.

Walsh's and Johnson's feats definitely rank up there as the best 3 game stretches whether in consecutive team games or individual games.   And you wonder why 1908 was considered a "year of the pitcher".



Ed Walsh, Chi (AL), 1912 - 6/12 (left in ??),  6/13 (CG), 6/15 (left in ??)

6/12:  Walsh only pitched 3 innings against New York and is pulled by manager Jimmy Callahan in order "to practice of conservation of energy...so as to save up the rest of the Big Reel for the coming contest for first place with the Boston Red Sox."  (We know in this centennial year how that ended up).  Chicago was leading 8-0 when pulled, the White Sox going on to 11-2 win with George Mogridge in relief.

6/13: Walsh won versus Boston 3-2 on a run by Chicago in the bottom of the 9th.  Walsh allowed only 3 hits and a walk.  He struck out 5.   There was an hour rain delay in the 2nd.   The winning run was scored on a Ping Bodie single (Rollie Zeider pr for him), sacrifice by Buck Weaver, and a single by Walsh himself!

6/15: Walsh lasted only 2 innings, giving up 3 runs ("biffs according to the Chicago Tribune) in the 1st and none in the 2nd.  Benz came in in the 3rd.  Chicago later tied it with 3 in the 6th, but Benz gave up a go ahead run in the 7th in a "critical" 4-3 loss to the Red Sox. 

I learned that Walsh had the nickname of the "Big Reel" according to the Chicago Tribune, not sure of the origin.


While I was at it, I did some analysis of the number of occurrences of pitchers having consecutive (2 or more) team starts during the research era.  Here is what I discovered:

	Starts In a row
Year	2	3	Grand Total
1897	33	1	34
1898	18		18
1899	34		34
1900	13		13
1901	23	1	24
1902	21		21
1903	34		34
1904	22	1	23
1905	26		26
1906	28		28
1907	30		30
1908	23	2	25
1909	23		23
1910	6		6
1911	14		14
1912	10	1	11
Grand Total	358	6	364

Interestingly in 1901 & 1902, the NL did not have a single pitcher pitch consecutive team games.
The highest totals were in 1897 & 1899, but it should be noted that these seasons were 12 team seasons.



On an individual basis, here are the players with the most 2 or more consecutive team starts for the study era:

				2 or more Consecutive Starts
	Year
player	1897	1898	1899	1900	1901	1902	1903	1904	1905	1906	1907	1908	1909	1910	1911	1912	Grand Total
Waddell						3	6	2		1		2					14
Chesbro				1			1	4	1	3							10
Mullin								1		4	1	1			2		9
Powell		1	2	1		1			2					1			8
D White					1		1	1			2	1	1	1			8
McGinnity			1		2	1	3				1						8
Walsh								1		1	1	1	1	1		1	7
Coombs										1		1			4	1	7
Orth	1	1				1			2		1						6
Plank					1		1	3							1		6

Waddell is easily the leader here.  He was known to ask his manager to pitch consecutive games, especially if he didn't do well in the 1st of the 2 . Also of note is that Walter Johnson, one of the 6 3 consecutive game pitchers above only had that one and one other (in 1911) consecutive team starts (thru 1912).

Joe McGinnity was well known for his reputation for pitching both ends of doubleheaders and the data bears it out.  Here is the list of leaders in starting both games of a doubleheader:

						Started both ends of DH
	Year
player	1897	1898	1899	1901	1903	1904	1905	1906	1907	1908	1909	1910	1911	1912	Grand Total
McGinnity				2	3										5
Mullin						1		1							2
Seymour	1	1													2
Walsh						1				1					2
Waddell					1			1							2

It is nice to see Cy Seymour show up here for me.  Although he was quite a wild pitcher (and very good strikeout pitcher for the era), he did have a couple of decent seasons before becoming a solid outfielder.

Again, it should be noted that the analysis for the NL only goes through 1909.


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As Retrosheet fills in data from 1910/1913 to 1915, we should be able to get an even better picture of this phenomenon.


Complete data is on my Google docs site:
https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B4NEDe8uYbdlME1mU2FmNWtkd1k/edit

100 Years Ago Today...in Detroit

Today marks the 100th anniversary of what was Navin/Briggs/Tiger Stadium.

In honor of this occasion, I wanted to post the play-by-play from the Detroit Times for that game.

M101-1 Variations

In this blog entry, I am going to off normal topic a bit.  As you may notice, I have renamed my blog to read "K's, Cards, and Things" as I may from time to time offer thoughts on baseball cards and other stuff.

Once upon a time, I was heavily into baseball cards, starting with the fantastic 1972 6 series set.   That set started me on a decade long run of collecting sets, going to local conventions and reading Sports Colectors Digest.   Once college came along, I moved away from the hobby.   A few years after college, I decided to get back into it and ended up completing the sets 1968-1980.   Well, again, I went away from the hobby, and eventually as those who have read this blog know, I got deep into 1899 Spiders and went on from there.

One of the natural outgrowths of  my 1899 research and my past collecting was to see if there were any "baseball cards" from my study era.   The only ones I could find were an obscure large size issue called M101-1 (M for magazine) that was issued by The Sporting News as a supplement to their newspaper from 1899 through 1900.   The whole set was also offered for purchase as well.  Lew Lipset wrote a  very good article on the set in the 1st issue of VCBC (Vintage Classic Baseball Collector) magazine.

Anyway, while continuing my batter strikeout research, I also continued to look for any M101-1's on eBay, or any other site that might have them for sale.   This is not like T-206's or a Topps issue where cards are constantly up for auction or sale - you can go 2 years without seeing one up on eBay or one of the auction houses.  

Over the years, I have been fortunate enough to acquire well over 40 of the 60 so subjects in the collection and as I did so, I started to notice some interesting features of this set.

One of these involved a change in font.  Between May 5 and May 12, 1900, the font style of the heading "The Sporting News" changed:

Here is James McGuire from May 5:

Here is Bill Dinneen from May 12:

The font seems to be "softened up" (IMO) - I wonder if TSN had changed their font around this time for the actual newspaper as well.  If anyone knows (or feels like checking Paper of Record), please let me know.
I originally observed a "color" change at this breakpoint as well from a brownish tone to more of a grayish tone, but I am not sure if this still is the case.  My observation may be due to the quality and aging of the subjects, but there may have been an "ink change".  Still not sure.

That was the main "change" in the issue I found, but what I also found was "alternate" or variation issues of a number of the subjects - all were towards the beginning of the run and a few indicated new teams.


The variations followed a general pattern - 1 issue had the player framed with a 2 line border and underneath the player's name, next to the team name, some indicates "1898" instead of  "1899"

Due to the border, the heading sits higher on the supplement

Here is the 1898 version of Hugh Duffy from April 29, 1899:

Here is the "1899" version of Duffy:

Here is the May 20, '99 variations of Michael Griffin.

The first one indicates him on Brooklyn with a copyright notice from 1898 and the National Copper Plate mention (the M101-1's are based on an issue by the National Copper Plate company from 1898 - these do not have the TSN heading).

The alternate issue, has Griffin with St. Louis, 1899 and sans frame.  The text on the back is essentially the same except for the additional text:  "He was sold to St. Louis this spring, but so far has refused to report.  He has bought an interest in a brewery at Utica, ans says he will not play ball again".

Here is Kid Nicols with the 2 versions:

The players that I have been able to identify with 2 versions so far are:

1.  April 29, '99 - Hugh Duffy
a. frame
b. no frame

2. May 6, '99 - Charles [Kid] Nichols
a. frame
b. no frame

3. May 30, '99 - Michael Griffin
a. frame - Brooklyn
b. no frame - St. Louis

4.  June 3, '99 - Clark Griffith
a. frame
b. no frame

5.  June 10, '99 - John Doyle
a. frame - New York (I'm pretty sure on this one, it's been awhile since I have seen the NY subject)
b. no frame - Washington

6. June 17, '99 - Bobby Wallace
a. frame, Cleveland, 1898
b. no frame, St. Louis, 1899

7. June 24, '99 - John O'Connor
a. frame, Cleveland, 1898
b. no frame, St. Louis, 1899

8. July 1, '99 - Louis Criger
a. frame, Cleveland, 1898
b. no frame, St. Louis, 1899









I have a good feeling that the other players not listed here that are in that date range - Bill Lange (4/15), Marty Bergen (5/13), "Wilber" Robinson (5/27) - also have the 2 versions.

My feeling is that the framed versions were the original supplement insert that was put into TSN for those weeks while the "updated" versions were part of the set that was mailed out later.  Without knowing specfically when the sets actually began to be sent out, it is hard to say conclusively.

I have also yet to see a example of a framed subject after Criger 

Would love any insight anyone has on this great set!  

Thank you for taking the time to read my entry.

1888 AA Batter Strikeouts

I finished documenting all of the 1888 AA lineups and ended up documenting 98.2% of the batter strikeouts.

I went through all of the primary sources for each team with the exception of Louisville as well as double checked against ICI.

After my normal projected adjustment (very small due to the high completion %), here are the leaders for the 1888 AA:

1. Frank Fennelly, Cin/Phil - 83
2. Yank Robinson, StL - 78
3. Reddy Mack, Lou - 75
3. White Wings Tebeau, Cin - 75
5. Jim McTamany, KC - 72
6. Henry Easterday, KC - 70
7. Harry Stovey, Phil - 69
8. Jersey Bakley, Clev - 68
9. Silver King, StL - 65
10. Bill White, Lou/StL - 61
10. Darby O'Brien, Brook - 61

Bakley & King were pitchers who both started over 60 games each.


Among the best in the BK+ category (struck out the least compared to the league average), we have:

1. Louis Bierbauer, Phil - 434 (13 k's)
2. Pop Corkhill, Cin/Brook -302 (19 k's)
3. Oyster Burns, Balt/Brook - 277 (20 k's)
4. George Pinkney, Brook - 272 (22 k's)
5. Tommy McCarthy, StL - 247 (22 k's)

Other K-related stats:

Most k's by a pitcher:  Ed Seward, Phil (vs. Lou), Aug 2 - 14 (extra innings).

Sources by city:

Kansas City - Times, Star
Brooklyn - NY Sun, NY Evening World
Cleveland - Leader, Plain Dealer
Cincinnati - Commercial Gazette
St. Louis - Republic
Baltimore - Sun, American
Philadelphia - Inquirer, Record

I'll add some other stuff in subsequent days.

1888 AA Cleveland

Well, I finally made it through the Cleveland home games, only 60 of those as a pattern continues - the better teams in the league got game transferred to their home grounds so that better attendances and as a result, more revenue for both teams was generated.

Cleveland's record:  50-82, 6th place

It is too bad that Cleveland did only play 60 games as their splits show:

H: 33 W 27 L
A: 17 W 55 L 

Pretty ugly away from home.


Their lineup for the most part was not very stable - I would love to see or hear of the "stability" of lineups correlated with win percentage - it makes sense that if you are winning you stick with a "winning combination" and do not change much as opposed to a team that is performing poorly is going to be constantly "tinkering" with the lineup.  Anyway here is the top breakdown of lineup positions of the (Navy) Blues lineup (this is with 117 of 135 games documented so far):

1  Cub Stricker 2b   -    60 games
    Mortimer Hogan rf  - 38 games


2  Ed McKean ss/lf - 93 games

3  Jay Faatz 1b -      50 games
    Pete Hoteling cf - 45 games

4  Jay Faatz 1b -        38 games
    Bob Gilks cf/lf -     26 games
    Pete Hoteling  cf -  22 games

5  Bob Gilks lf/3b -    43 games
    Cub Stricker 2b -  19 games
    Pete Hoteling cf  -  15 games

6  Mike Goodfellow rf/lf - 41 games
    Gus Alberts ss/3b       - 18 games

7  Gus Alberts 3b/ss - 59 games
    John McGlone 3b - 26 games

8  Pop Snyder c    - 51 games
   Chief Zimmer c  - 49 games


As can see, not too many recognizable names pop out at you - I knew of Stricker (from his "Cub" nickname, Zimmer, McKean, and Jim McGuire (acquired later in the season).

As for the pitching staff, Jersey (from guess where? :) ) Bakley (referred to as "Bakely" in most contemporary references that I read) led the team with 61 starts and a 25-33 record.  60 CG's.

Bakley alternated, for the most part, with Billy Crowell (5-13) through mid June and then with "Cinders" (also referred to as the "Other Darby" [there was a "Darby" with Brooklyn]) O'Brien (11-19) through the end of September and finally with George Proeser (3-4).

Stricker played 11 seasons from 1882-93, with 7 different teams in the AA, Players League, and NL.



http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/striccu01.shtml

Chief Zimmer, again, I knew from the 1899 Spiders.  He played 20 games for that club and hit .342, which was completely unacceptable!   As a result, Louisville took him off of their hands.
Zimmer played in the majors 19 years, from 1884-1903

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zimmech01.shtml

Jim (Deacon) McGuire was another Long Time catcher who was reknowned for his throwing (out runner) skills.
McGuire had actually played for the NL Philadelphia & Detroit teams in 1888 before catching on with Cleveland.
 McGuire played in 26 seasons between 1884 and 1912.

He was the catcher in the infamous  Cobb/Detroit boycott game of 1912 which I documented in a previous blog post.  He was 48 years old at the time.

Also, in 1895, he caught all 132 games of Washington's games - Frank Hayes of the 1944 Reds would be the next (and last?) to do so.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcguide01.shtml

McKean was at the end of his string when I first encountered him with the 1899 St. Louis Perfectos (which were not quite as good as the Brooklyn Superbas as St. Louis finished in 4th of 12 teams).  McKean had a nice steady 13 year career from 1887 to 1899, as the NL Cleveland Spiders starting shortstop.

With the exception of the 1899 season, I wonder if he ever really left Cleveland - born in Grafton (SW of Cleveland), 12 seasons in Cleveland, and buried in Cleveland.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mckeaed01.shtml




    

New Player found! Joe Cross

Still plowing my way through the 1888 AA Cleveland games and I think I have come across a "missing" player.


In a September 5, 1888 game between Louisville & Cleveland, a "Cross" is shown in the box score for Louisville as playing left field and having one at-bat (he struck out).   It was assumed that this was Lave Cross, one of Louisville's catchers - in fact ICI shows a Sept 5 entry for Lave.   However, in the Sept 6, 1888 Cleveland Plain Dealer, in its "Notes of the Game", it says: "While at bat in the seventh inning, Cook caught a swift pitched ball on the hand and had to retire.  Vaughn took his place behind the bat, Ramsey went to left field and Cross of the Graphics, a brother of Lave, a Louisville catcher, took the latter's place in right."

There is a Joe Cross who was a pitcher and occasional outfielder for the Graphics (a semi-pro team in Cleveland) in 1888.  He is identified in another citing as Lave's brother (when Amos Cross's death was reported on July 17, 1888).

I see no reference to this change in the Cleveland Leader.

However, Lave Cross was injured on September 2, "tore his knee in a fearful way.  He quit playing and will not likely play again for some time".

I currently do not have access to any Louisville papers to get their take on it.

Lave Cross' next game was on 9/13 at St. Louis.

The St Louis Republic makes no special mention of Cross's "return", but being a rookie and and an opponent's backup catcher, this is not necessarily surprising.

Digging into Sporting Life currently with no success.

I hope to get some more information from Louisville papers (Times and Post).

Has a "new" player been found?

Not sure - if anyone else has access to other resources or has any insight, I would greatly appreciate the help.
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UPDATE - Adding comments into main blog entry for ease of reading:
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Update:

Got scans of the Louisville Post, Times, & Courier Journal for Sept 3-14.

No mentions in the Post or Times, but in the Courier-Journal, on Sept 6, it states in the game summary: "...Young Cross, a local player, who had taken Cook's place in the team, was in right field, and let a ball go through his legs, O'Brien scoring on the error..."

Also, in the heading it refers to "Two Local Players Borrowed To Fill the Positions On the Diamond"

One of those local players was Bill Crowell, as he is mentioned as such early in the article.

Lave Cross would not be referred to as "Young Cross, a local player" as he was, first, known as "Kid" Cross at this point in his career and unlikely would have been referred to in this manner ("a local player") as he had been on the team for a while.

As a result, with sources in the city of the game and of the team affected, I have concluded that this is indeed Joe Cross of the Graphics.
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  Sent out my info to the 19cc Yahoo group and got some great additional information from the great participants of that group:

John Thorn:
This Joe Cross appears also to have pitched for Altoona in the spring of
1887, being released in early June, and for the Cleveland Forest Citys
in a game against the Sharocks of Cincinnati on June 19, 1887. By
September he is back with the Graphics. pitching against the Malleables.
Joe Cross pitched for the Resolutes in April 1888. Joe Cross is also
referred to as the younger brother of Lave in the Plain Dealer of April
21, 1889. In Amnos Cross's obituary notice in the Plain Dealer of July
18, 1888, Joe is mentioned as a brother.


Richard Malatzky:
I have been working on the biographical info on Joe.

I traced him to the1892 Cleveland city directory as Mary Cross wid Joseph 668 Clark.

Remember that the last name was Kirz and they were all born in Bohemia or Austria. I am working on the sisters in the obit of Frank Cross.

This makes 4 brothers in the big leagues.Amos, Lave, Frank and Joseph.


John Thorn:
Joe Cross is first listed as a ballplayer with the amateur Forest Citys
of 1879:

In And Out-Door Sports. Turf, Field, Stream and Table. Base Ball

(News Article)

Date:1879-03-05;

Paper:Plain Dealer

BTW, it turns out that there is yet another ballplaying Cross brother:
George, who in 1906 signed on as a catcher with Evansville!


John Thorn:
Joe seems to be the oldest of the Cross (Kriz) brothers. An Ancestry
family tree, by no means a sure thing for reliability, lists Joseph A.
Cross as born 6 Jan 1859 in Chicago, Illinois, USA to Joseph Kriz (not
Kirz) and Mary Kotski Kriz. Joe died, according to this, on April 2,
1933, in Cleveland. His listed "widow" in 1892 may have been his
ex-wife. A Lena REmier is listed as his wife in the family tree, with no
birth/death data.

The father and mother of the Cross/Kriz brothers were born in Bohemia in
1831 and 1839, respectively, and died in 1891 and 1893, both in Ohio.
They may have landed in New York in 1858.

Joseph Cross is provide with this rundown at ancestry.com:

# /ID:/I257
# /Name:/Joseph A. CROSS
# /Sex:/M
# /Birth:/6 JAN 1859 in Chicago, Ill
# /Death:/2 APR 1933 in Cleveland, Ohio
# /Fact 1:/1933 Buried in Troy, New York
# /Fact 2:/1888 Baseball player with Cleveland Graphics
# /Fact 3:/1910 Cigar Maker
# /Fact 4:/1925 Caulker
# /Fact 5:/1930 Division of Water, Cleveland, Ohio
# /Fact 6:/1931 Store Keeper
# /Fact 7:/1932 Machinist


Name: JosephKriz
Year: 1859
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Place: New York, New York
Source Publication Code: 206.2
Primary Immigrant: Kriz, Joseph
Annotation: Extracted from rolls 323 through 432 of Microcopy 237,
"Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, 1820-1897." Provides
data on country of origin, name of ship, and, sometimes, destination.
Date and port of arrival. Copies of these books may be obta
Source Bibliography: BACA, LEO. Czech Immigration Passenger Lists: New
York Passenger Lists. Richardson, TX: Baca. 1847-1869. Vol. 4, 1991. 182p.
Page: 78

By this census listing of the Cross/Kriz family from 1870 we see that Amos Cross was at first named Emil and that Lave was named Ratislaw.


Name: Joseph Kriz
Age in 1870: 35
Birth Year: abt 1835
Birthplace: Bohemia
Home in 1870: Milwaukee Ward 2, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Milwaukee
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Kriz 35
Mary Kriz 33
Anna Kriz 13
Joseph Kriz 11
Emil Kriz 10
Vlasta Kriz 6
Ratisldw Kriz 4
Biminak Kriz 3
Libbey Kriz 7/12

Jack Morris:
Here's a death notice that ran in both the April 3 & 4, 1933 Cleveland Plain
Dealer for the Joe Cross listed in the Ancestry Family Tree:

Cross: Joseph A., beloved husband of Lena (nee Reamer), father of Liddia.
Sunday at 1:30 a.m. at residence 5005 Clark Ave. Remains at Edward H.
Lindhorst & Son's Funeral Home 1610 Clark Ave., where service will be held
Tuesday April 4 at 2:30 p.m.

John Thorn:
By this census listing of the Cross/Kriz family from 1870 we see that
Amos Cross was at first named Emil and that Lave was named Ratislaw.

Name: JosephKriz
Age in 1870: 35
Birth Year: abt 1835
Birthplace: Bohemia
Home in 1870: Milwaukee Ward 2, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Milwaukee
Value of real estate: View image
<http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7163&iid=4268781_00324&fn=Joseph&ln=Kriz&st=r&ssrc=&pid=14907759>

Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Kriz
<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1870usfedcen&indiv=try&h=14907759>
35
Mary Kriz
<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1870usfedcen&indiv=try&h=14907761>
33
Anna Kriz
<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1870usfedcen&indiv=try&h=5902553>
13
Joseph Kriz
<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1870usfedcen&indiv=try&h=14907758>
11
Emil Kriz
<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1870usfedcen&indiv=try&h=5902554>
10
Vlasta Kriz
<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1870usfedcen&indiv=try&h=8329879>
6
Ratisldw Kriz
<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1870usfedcen&indiv=try&h=14907762>
4
Biminak Kriz
<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1870usfedcen&indiv=try&h=14907757>
3
Libbey Kriz
<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1870usfedcen&indiv=try&h=14907760>
7/12

David Nemec:
This great thread raises, among other things, the reliability of censuses in those days.  Seems like they all were handwritten, at least initially, and may have often been unintelligible to anyone else if the original interviewer happened to die or otherwise be unavailable to transcribe his/her notes for the official record.  Too, I'm puzzled why Emile would change his name to Amos, not at all a Czech or Bohemian name but a common Hebrew one.  My hunch is that by the time all the mysteries about this family are unraveled--or at least as many as can be--it will prove to be among our most interesting baseball families.  If Joe Cross was indeed with the 1879 semipro Cleveland Forest Citys (perhaps a sort of reserve team for the NL club), it deepens the puzzle of when and why he was the first of the ball-playing brothers to appear as Cross rather than Kriz since the team had several other Czech-Bohemian players who retained their names including the 3B
who finished the season with Chicago, John Stedronsky.

2 outs, bottom of 9th THEN 7 runs scored to win 16-15

While going through the 1888 AA Cleveland lineups, I ran across an interesting ending to a game that I wanted to go ahead and post.

On June 2, Cleveland led 15-9 going to the bottom of the 9th (Cleveland chose to bat 1st) and was within 1 out of a 6 run victory before all heck broke loose, KC scored 7 runs and won 16-15.

Cleveland's Doc Oberlander was by no means having a smooth game in this battle of tail enders, having already given up 9 runs

This is how it went for KC against Oberlander in the fateful 9th:

1.  Barkley singles to center
2.  Davis pops to catcher Zimmer (1 out)
3  Phillips pops to shortstop Alberts (2 outs)
4  Rowe singles to right (Barkley to 2nd or 3rd)
5  Daniels singles to center (Barkley scores, Rowe to 2nd or 3rd)  10-15
6  Allen triples to left (Rowe and Daniels score) 12-15
7  Easterday walks
8  Toole doubles past shortstop (Allen and Easterday score)  14-15
9  McTamany triples over cf Hoteling's head (Toole scores)  15-15
10 Barkley singles along 3rd base line (McTamany scores)  16-15


Not sure where this stands in regards to comeback win probability (or whatever it is called), but I would think it would be up there - down 6 with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th and winning.

As the saying goes,  "it ain't over 'til it's over".

This would be Doc Oberlander's final game (of 4 total) of his major league career.  He did pitch a couple more seasons in minors.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=oberla001doc


Will have my Cleveland review up in a few days.